mountain lions in new hampshire

Which which I think Pat and I have both experienced. Caller: I do. Mountain Lions in NH - Facebook Sam Evans-Brown: One in fact Helena silver in that sort of tome that Rick van de Poll read from at the beginning is she. Want to put this to to Patrick Tate who may have heard some some info or info from listeners like you about these these these cats. Peter Biello: Well I want to ask Patrick about one of these stories a few years ago you had a story about someone who claimed to. Think you've seen a mountain lion. John. Is this kind of a typical story. Rick van de Poll: Well I didn't. We speculate they dont want us to screw up tourism we dont know whats going on. HOLDERNESS, N.H. (AP) Two of the known mountain lions in New Hampshire have spent their 15 years in close proximity to humans. And that's this morning at 10:00 here on NH PR. I found a second scat scent both to him. Peter Biello: We mentioned that the eastern cougar and the Western cougar are they were separate eastern cougar believed to be extinct. And so I just wanted to share my share my experience with you guys and it was pretty awesome to see if you get to see one albeit it was in the brush. It's listed as population of least concern. Were there any differences between these two that we could have noticed right off. They kill big animals. If you believe you have seen a mountain lion and want to report it to NH Fish and Game, please contact the Wildlife Division at (603) 271-2461 or wildlife@wildlife.nh.gov to request an observation report form. So now what's going on. 19 Patrick Tate: If I could just say one thing. And I I have this great text history of New Hampshire game and fir bears and I think by Helen Silver who used to work for fish and game and she sort of I kind eyes this animal in one of the quotes from 1892 stating that the catamaran was the most ferocious of all the wild beasts of New Hampshire his great size strength and agility of movement together with his formidable weapons rendered him the terror both of man and beast. I mean so what what is the practical change that it would bring to New Hampshire if any. We rely on readers like you to support the local, national, and international coverage on this website. Here she is talking about how to identify a mountain lion. There is some information that suggests that it spent a portion of its time in Massachusetts near the Claiborne reservoir. Each person had their own copy and now it was identify the trees the species of tree matched. So the U.S. Forest Service Rocky Mountain Research Station has a database on mountain lion and they can identify. Residents Report Mountain Lion Sighting By Elysia Rodriguez Published August 11, 2015 A southern New Hampshire neighborhood believes a mountain lion is roaming the woods near their homes. Peter Biello: Listeners give us a call if you have a question or a story of a sighting 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. Caller: It had just left that field and was out. Nicholas Handy can be reached at 924-7172 ext. Patrick Tate: Yeah yeah. Peter Biello: So Patrick today Fish and Game no downward pressure on you to deny the existence at all costs of mountain lions here in New Hampshire. Residents believe cougars still roam New Hampshire's forests - AP NEWS They don't know the direction they're going. But you can continue the conversation on Facebook or at our Web site and HP Borg. Theyve always said when we have verifiable evidence to say a mountain lion has been, is, or was in the state that wed acknowledge that and give that information out, says Pat Tate, the furbearer biologist with New Hampshire Fish and Game, who insists theres no conspiracy. So you want identifiable backgrounds. Pat humans people leave deer carcasses up in trees. A monthly donation of $5 makes a real difference. If you believe you have seen a mountain lion and want to report it to NH Fish and Game, please contact the Wildlife Division at (603) 271-2461 or wildlife@wildlife.nh.gov to request an observation report form. A monthly donation of $5 makes a real difference. I have one that's more elaborate than that. And you know all that. I don't see the hoaxes anymore at that level. Think You Saw A Mountain Lion in N.H.? - New Hampshire Public Radio Well let's hear from from Sue Morse again science director for the organization keeping track. Can you tell us about that story. Peter Biello: What about the idea of tourism like us leaving aside the fact that it is not on the Endangered Species Act is it. All they think it traveled north through Canada up you know crossed across the Great Lakes and then and then down again through New York State. Yes and you want to share what you learned. The western mountain lion lives in a more of a grassland open area now so to blend in with a very lighted situation here in the Northeast we are very shadowy dark situation because of the forest and our cats wear a darker brownish reddish color than what they were and they were also smaller than what the western mountain lion is. I'm Peter Biello in for Laura NOI. There's just one subspecies of North American mountain lion. Despite numerous reports, the NH Fish and Game Department continues to have no physical evidence of mountain lion presence in the state. Sam Evans-Brown: Well this might be a good moment to talk about hoaxes. Peter Biello: Thank you for sharing that. So that that's more or less I think why I'm here and why I got into this in nineteen ninety nine I found a what appeared to be a print of a mountain lion and that was in the Osprey mountains and I thought well OK that's that's a print. But before I go any further I want to say we do not have sufficient game. Sam Evans-Brown: Well and I think and the last takeaway here is everyone I think probably agrees that any possible sightings that have been seen. Deer Bear Moose Wolves Fisher Mountain Lions. Anytime at any HP broad dot org or subscribe to our podcast search Apple podcasts Google Play or stitcher for an HP bar exchange. Really appreciate you guys being here as well. Squam Lake: Home of mountain lions - Concord Monitor It's got a a smudge of black and bobcats and links just don't have that we don't have any other cards. So that's the specimen that you find going long distances. Caller: Yeah. WMUR NH Chronicle Mountain Lions in NH Part I and Part II. Sue Morse: The big cat really commands the utmost respect not so much fear but fascination. Peter Biello: But clearly you know you're saying like hoaxes people who claim to have seen a mountain lion but knowingly have not or are appropriating photos taken elsewhere of legit mountain lion say out West where they people acknowledge that they exist certainly knowingly or unknowingly in this case the person who sent it to me said hey a friend of mine sent me this photo and said he took it on his back porch also. That's what we're seeing is dispersing mountain lions from the West who are just making their way through. We've met Fish and Game's BURDEN OF PROOF. Have you heard stories do you have questions about the mountain line. Women control our lives. It doesn't happen as much anymore. The current estimate is 2,000 - 2,700 throughout Arizona. When you talk about a bobcat Bobcat maybe 80 90 pounds and then a mountain lion could be between 130 and 180 pounds. So for those reasons I don't believe the standards are too high the amount of game cameras out on the landscape to record images department alone through contracts had over 150 throughout the state biologists go through various deer yards throughout the year. The big cat has been extinct at least the eastern mountain lion has been extinct here since the mid 80s hundreds. Mountain Lion report and as a biologist for the state that's a situation where if he said to me what did I see. So I've been convinced the whole time that I saw a big cougar plume or whatever you want to call it standing there in the road in Greenfield. Patrick Tate: I've had hunters hang deer carcasses forbidding wildlife entries. Well let's talk a little bit about that. How many mountain lions are in New Hampshire? - AnswersAll What do you think that. Listeners we'd love to hear some of your thoughts on this. Kyle I think about Rick Tate wants to jump in here. And boy it was big it had to be at least 200 pounds the thing was you and and it just made a little bit of noise and it was gone. m from a weed family Automotive on store Street in Concord is serving the Concord area families automotive needs since 1995. So one thing I'll add. On Oct. 10, he gave a slide talk called "Wild Cats of New Hampshire," which included the bobcat and the lynx. Are there Mountain Lions in NH? Okay. Today she talked with us a little bit before the show about why the mountain line is so compelling and why we want it to be part of our world. I would say that there's going to be the truth in here somewhere. I just stood there just a second and I came to a complete stop and then I ran away. Peter Biello: Well yeah. WMUR uLocal: On this trail cam video, an unidentified feline is spotted. Peter Biello: From New Hampshire Public Radio I'm Peter Biello in for Lark Knoy and this is the exchange. We'll push great photos to the front page. Fish and Game looked into the labs to have them confirm the information in the reports which the labs did not. It traveled all the way from from you know Minnesota to New York without being so seen Patrick take. Residents from Bedford to Berlin have been reporting sightings for years. We'll be right back. And they used to be this whole list of the different subspecies of mountain lion and it has since been reduced to just to the North American and the South American. They sent he sent his scent those two samples with his to Wyoming an unfortunate Fish and Game Commission there did not get a positive read on it but send it back to Central Michigan University where they did a nuclear micro satellite DNA analysis and found no significant difference between that scat and other scats that were tested from the Rocky Mountain region. That's next time on one day. So so they're just a very resilient species and they're pretty they're pretty neat. The females disperse a shorter range and once they find a vacant home range they stay in that location and live there. Lions Clubs Int'l Links: LionNet NH Links 2011 -2012 . From came from out west they tracked it all the way back to the Black Hills in the Dakotas. What kind of animal is that. Author of The last woman in the forest on Saturday July 13th at 7 p.m. at Warner town hall Warner historical dawg. And a lot of people around the county airport have seen a lot of pilots coming in said they saw huge. They are the same thing. I can't tell you what you saw but it sounds like a mountain lion. Peter Biello: This is the exchange on an PR. And it was unmistakable. Tim Yeah. Caller: Absolutely. It was not a bobcat. And I saw you cat about four feet long from nose to tail come across from the water across the road and just leap over a six foot perimeter fence in a single bound. I've seen him in the woods and that was not a bobcat but I was looking at. Seems reasonable! So I reached down to grab the camera and looked back and like a ghost it's gone. Let's talk to Bob in Laconia Bob. The Connecticut Mountain Lion is the best documented wild Mountain Lion in New England. Well I can't tell you what you saw. We mentioned that one cat that was hit by a car where it has it that it was a male looking for me. Well let me ask maybe Pat and Rick about this. So if you were to ask me has a mountain lion ever passed through New Hampshire and been spotted by somebody who wasnt able to get hard evidence? Id personally be willing to say "probably, yes.". There wasn't a distinct subspecies the North American mountain lion is all is all one species and then you can find a genetically distinct South American subspecies. Mike thanks for your call. And the cougar embodies that. The nonbelievers are going to say Show us your evidence and show us prove this to us. And there are thousands of mountain lions killed every year legally through hunting, and there have been untold tens of thousands of mountain lions killed by hunters over the last hundred years, says Mark Elbroch, the Puma Program Director for Panthera, a global wild cat conservation organization, So even the folks who live with mountain lions still have a fancy and see something thats not there to me thats incredible.. Russ, from Sandwich (and Bedford) asks: In Sandwich New Hampshire, everybody has a story about seeing a mountain lion. How far were you from this cat. I saw the tail end of a literally from behind the shoulder The Long Tail mountain lion crossing the highway going from Password to often Village downtown. Mountain lions live in the state. The big cat has been extinct here since the mid-1800s. To date, the Department has not received any verifiable evidence (photographic or DNA)of mountain lions existing in New Hampshire. support for an HBO who comes from you our listener Sam from advanced in you a local New Hampshire nonprofit specializing in college student loans and student refinancing options. And those and that's how you can go from a story that Pat says I have nothing to say about that to a story that you know could be the first verified sighting in over 100 years. So I will just say this is a big reason why there have not been confirmed sightings I think is that the evidence required first. From: Boomerdog in OK 08-Oct-07 Because I mean as we've heard in the past 10 minutes like there's there's some disagreement or at least some some vagueness about what an actual mountain lion should appear like in the wild assuming we can even get close enough. Fish and Game then deny the evidence. Thank you. So we're fixated on natural but there's other possibilities. Caller: Hey guys how you doing. I noticed it had a really big sweeping tail that kind of curled up behind it and all but still at that point because everyone says there's no mountain lions here. They just end up in these places. Patrick Tate: Yes. You're on the air. Peter Biello: Well Mike thanks very much for sharing your story. The great thing about pictures isn't the animal itself it's the background. Patrick Tate: So I'm not sure what subspecies of cat they're using to differentiate by those markings but once she was describing the White other face in the black. What's interesting about Bobcats is here in the Northeast we have some very large bobcats. Can we go to the site. So there is definitely no downward pressure by anyone. So Marty can you see what I'm getting at is the public sees different names and thinks that they're different animals but it's all the same animal. So I learned about what Rick just reported through a heart of heart of New Hampshire a letter and. Caller: Yeah I hadn't experienced blastoff fall so this was around September and I was driving from Webster into Concord on Horse Hill Road and anybody in the area would know I was right near the Red Barn and all of a sudden this animal jumps out of the woods and it bounded across the road in about two two giant leaps and stopped in the field just on the other side. N.H.'s Fish and Game department says there's no proof mountain lions live in the state, yet residents from Bedford to Berlin have been reporting sightings for years. So they're scary. But you've done some reporting on this. Caller: And then there's the Lily Pond Road and then there's a six foot tall fence. And really whenever you hear tiny code and long rope like tale it's kind of hard to pin this sighting on any other creature rather than an outline or just nothing else really matches that description. I looked at the picture and asked me what do you see in the picture and I wrote back. Michael Brindley is our program manager our producers our Jessica Hunt and Christina Phillips and our theme music was composed by Bob Lord. People have asked me about the genetics of eastern mountain lion. Right. So one thing I'll add we're talking about natural dispensers but talking with the conservation officer in the 1980s they recall going to a residence telling a person you can live here but your mountain lion can't. We did a short segment about mountain lion sightings earlier this year and and after which I was sent a photo and also a video recording that was mostly just audio because it was so dark the photo just a quick reverse Google image search you can put images online and see where else where else they've been posted revealed that the photo had been taking out taken out in Wyoming and has been used you know hundreds of times to claim and the person who sent it to me said it had been taken New Hampshire. Mountain lions don't usually travel more than 100 miles from where they are born. Mike Guyton pressure was almost Greyhound like very muscular large back legs on it and the coloration on it was almost an orange brownish orange color and so I stop and I look at this thing in the field and as the animal looks at me the face was very chiseled definitely not a bobcat. Almost all species disperse greater distances than females. All of that remains unanswered but it is an extremely interesting question. So give us a call now. So they're not afraid of humans and they'll show up like a regular housecat. Are there other powers that be worried that scary mountain lions will scare off people from camping in New Hampshire. Pat ruse and he was sampling doing DNA samples from cats in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan. Sam Evans Brown. Now Bobcat is a completely different species. I just saw the head and the tail that was leaving. What's going on. In my New Hampshire career I have written several, and seen at least 20, stories along the lines of "local person thinks they saw a mountain lion but there's no actual evidence aside from. And so a mountain lion is actually quite large right. OK. Rick van de Poll: Rick and I would add that if a mountain lion male takes up residence and successfully finds a female as pets there's gonna be a lot more evidence there will be like deer carcasses up in trees and territorial marking and claw marks and tracks and it you know dispersal is gonna be very tough to see or observed but residential parrots a totally different story. As recently as 2011 there was one young male mountain lion that cruised all the way from the black hills of South Dakota, up over the Great Lakes, down through New Yorkgetting spotted all. He shifted gears in 2016 and began producing Outside/In, a podcast and radio show about the natural world and how we use it. His work has won him several awards, including two regional Edward R. Murrow awards, one national Murrow, and the Overseas Press Club of America's award for best environmental reporting in any medium. I actually been interviewed a couple of times by reporters and with all due respect for the media you know facts aren't always communicated correctly. I tracked cats and all the western states. I've collected scat samples I've got several in my collection. Incredible sighting and I called him the fish and game and they immediately sent me to a website to look at all the bobcat pictures. And I can recall its information but I can't confirm or verify anything. People were calling the New Hampshire Fish and Game director's office saying why are you dragging your feet on this. Mountain lions remain an enigmatic animal for residents of New Hampshire, with New Hampshire Fish and Game reporting three to five sightings per week. So Pat you field a lot of calls about people seeing or reportedly seeing mountain lions. Mountain lions leave a lot of sign. So when we hear mountain lion there's also cougar there's wild cat there's Bobcat which is not a mountain lion maybe Patrick could you sort of spell out the different terms which are synonymous and which are completely different animals. Copyright New Hampshire Fish and Game Department.An official New Hampshire government website. First off if the standard for an agency to go forward with the public and put out a press release that them outlines here their believers are going to say I told you they'd been here the whole time. BRADFORD, N.H. - All that snow in parts of the Northeast has more than just kids jumping for winter joy. Patrick Tate: My line being a large predator a cat watch ambush his prey animal that hasn't been. New Hampshire Public Radio | There are mountain lion in Massachusetts. And now that everyone and their mother has a remote camera in their back yard its just so, so unlikely that there are resident, breeding mountain lions in New England that are living invisibly among us, he says, Its become Big Foot.. And as the biologist who's gonna stand on this and if I'm going to say this is a proven picture I need to be able to stand on it so soundly and have the evidence so I going to go through it with a fine tooth comb kept picking pieces apart trying to answer these pieces. Is there a way we can learn more about these dispersing mountain lions that may travel through the Granite State and that I would ask you certainly part about whether or not a he's spending too much time chasing down these kind of false leads or B would rather be doing something else that is more informative to whether or not we actually have or can prove that we have dispersing mountain lions in the state. Over a period of a year and a half, this Mountain Lion left DNA evidence in at least four states. N.H. Residents Report Mountain Lion Sighting - NECN Do you want to see real, living mountain lions that do exist in New Hampshire. That's why we always go back to the physical evidence to support what they're reporting. There was a lot of DNA evidence. You can see two of them at Squam Lakes Natural Science Center in Holderness NH. Residents believe cougars still roam New Hampshire's forests So I just throwing that out there it's interesting. But I do think that it's appropriate that a fishing game agency would recognize verifiable proof if they could. It's unfortunate that that kind of thing happens as often as it does. Mountain lion or cat running across. 1957. I'm Peter Biello.

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